Subject: PG 7.3 is five years old today
From: tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us (Tom Lane)
Date: 11/27/2007 2:02:24 PM
By chance I happened to notice in the release notes
Release 7.3
Release date: 2002-11-27
Man, it feels like a long time since that came out...
There has been some discussion of making a project policy of dropping
support for old releases after five years. Should we consider formally
instituting that?
I see that there are two or three minor bug fixes in the REL7_3_STABLE
branch since 7.3.20. Rather than just leaving those to rot, maybe the
actual policy should be "only one more update after 8.3 comes out".
Comments, opinions?
regards, tom lane
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Subject: PG 7.3 is five years old today
From: tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us (Tom Lane)
Date: 11/27/2007 2:26:55 PM
"Dave Page" <dpage@postgresql.org> writes:
>> From: Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
>> I see that there are two or three minor bug fixes in the REL7_3_STABLE
>> branch since 7.3.20. Rather than just leaving those to rot, maybe the
>> actual policy should be "only one more update after 8.3 comes out".
> I assume you no longer need to maintain it for Redhat then?
Well, I still do, nominally, but RHEL-3 is in maintenance mode (meaning
no more scheduled updates). It would take a fairly serious bug to get
Red Hat's attention to the point that they'd want to turn the package.
If something like that came up, very possibly we'd want to put out a
fix too. What I'm thinking is more along the lines of not bothering
with back-patching non-catastrophic bugs, and not automatically
including 7.3 in the set of branches we make back-branch releases for.
regards, tom lane
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Subject: PG 7.3 is five years old today
From: tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us (Tom Lane)
Date: 11/27/2007 3:23:42 PM
Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> writes:
>> There has been some discussion of making a project policy of dropping
>> support for old releases after five years. Should we consider formally
>> instituting that?
> The community consensus I recall was three versions only. Anything beyond
> that would be up to the vendors.
Yeah, but some of us are also the vendors ;-). I still figure that if
I have to maintain branch X for Red Hat, I might as well put those fixes
in the community CVS. I should think that Sun, EDB, et al would also
find it expedient to not need to maintain private patch sets. So it
seems to me that the "vendor" EOL horizons are legitimate to consider
while deciding what the "community" wants to support.
regards, tom lane
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Subject: PG 7.3 is five years old today
From: tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us (Tom Lane)
Date: 11/27/2007 3:37:04 PM
"Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum" <adsmail@wars-nicht.de> writes:
> On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:08:58 -0800 Joshua D. Drake wrote:
>> Release 7.3.21 with and EOL addendum :). E.g; this is the last release
>> of 7.3 and 7.3 is now considered unsupported.
> I know at least one customer who is using RHEL-3 and PG 7.3 on dozens
> machines worldwide.
Are they running 7.3.20? Will they update to 7.3.21 promptly when we
ship it? Or are they using whatever Red Hat includes in RHEL-3?
(which is still 7.3.19 I believe)
One of the reasons for losing interest in frequent updates is that
it seems most of the people we hear from who are running 7.3.x are
running a pretty obsolete "x". If we produce an update and no one
actually installs it, we're just wasting time with make-work.
regards, tom lane
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Subject: PG 7.3 is five years old today
From: tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us (Tom Lane)
Date: 11/28/2007 10:11:37 AM
Gregory Stark <stark@enterprisedb.com> writes:
> Whether there's any need to support the old protocol in the server depends on
> whether there are any clients out there which use it which is harder to
> determine and not affected by whether Postgres 7.3 is still around.
Right. There's really not much to be gained by dropping it on the
server side anyway. libpq might possibly be simplified by a useful
amount, but on the other hand we probably want to keep its current
structure for the inevitable v4 protocol.
Another area where we might think about dropping some stuff is pg_dump.
If we got rid of the requirement to support dumps from pre-7.3 servers
then it could assume server-side dependencies exist, and lose all the
code for trying to behave sanely without 'em.
regards, tom lane
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