<nessuno@wigner.berkeley.edu> wrote in message news:67b76a59-31d8-4534-b47a-232e43ec974f@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com... > >> Windows users click on advert offering to infect PC for free > > <Quote> > Drive-By Download > Is your PC virus-free? > Get it infected here! > > Which should be enough to stop all but the terminally dumb from > clicking upon it, [nevertheless...] an amazing 98 percent of those > stupid folk were running Windows. > </Quote> > > Sounds like irrefutable proof that Windows makes you stupid. You ought to see all the posts in the MS groups (and sometimes elsewhere) about "how can I boot my PC direct to the desktop without using either a username or password"! AND, all the answers telling them how to do it! Windows doesn't just make you stupid, it makes you positively DANGEROUS!

Gordon wrote: > You ought to see all the posts in the MS groups (and sometimes > elsewhere) about "how can I boot my PC direct to the desktop without > using either a username or password"! AND, all the answers telling > them how to do it! Windows doesn't just make you stupid, it makes you > positively DANGEROUS! Here's where you're told how to get root access to Linux: http://panuganty.tripod.com/debiantips/boot.htm

* DFS fired off this tart reply: > Gordon wrote: > >> You ought to see all the posts in the MS groups (and sometimes >> elsewhere) about "how can I boot my PC direct to the desktop without >> using either a username or password"! AND, all the answers telling >> them how to do it! Windows doesn't just make you stupid, it makes you >> positively DANGEROUS! > > Here's where you're told how to get root access to Linux: > > http://panuganty.tripod.com/debiantips/boot.htm God, you're dense. Dense For Sure. -- Tux rox!

So anyway, it was like, 09:43 CET Dec 19 2007, you know? Oh, and, yeah, Gordon was all like, "Dude, > but it is actually possible to create User accounts in Windows with > NO PASSWORD at ALL! AFAIK that's not possible in Linux. I think you'll find that most things are possible in Linux. Some of the really stupid ones generally just take alittle effort. -- Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana. Perth ---> * 10:13:11 up 23 days, 18:26, 2 users, load average: 0.84, 0.51, 0.59 Linux 2.6.23.8 x86_64 GNU/Linux Registered Linux user #261729

* DFS fired off this tart reply: > One thing you can count on about cola idiots (especially > Gordo^H^H^H^H^H^HSchmucko, sometimes Linonut): they're fairly ignorant. > They truly believe the silly notion that Linux is secure. > > "I forgot the root password" http://panuganty.tripod.com/debiantips/boot.htm One more thing. Although I dinged you reflexively for, as I thought, bringing up the old dumb sudo arguments, I did run across something interesting at roughlydrafted.com, that does indicate there is a real problem. Not with Linux, but with Windows users. Not all of them, to be sure. http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2007/12/15/soviet-microsoft-stockholm-syndrome-among-unswitchable-windows-users/ The Unswitchables. I personally know of an acquaintance who is intelligent and technically knowledgeable, and who a few years ago told me rather than buying himself a new Windows PC, he had made the switch and bought himself a PowerMac. (Then follows some notes about how this user kept asking about "missing" Windows concepts.) A week later he called me in a panic, and said that his Mac was continually crashing ... . I tried to explain that what he had done is mess up the operating system, and that there was a good reason for not logging in as ROOT and customizing the System files. But, he insisted that he wanted to continue with this tinkering. A few weeks later he told me that he became so frustrated with not being able to use the Mac as he was accustomed to, that he sold it and bought himself a Windows PC again. This may sound unbelievable, but all of this really happened and I just shook my head and accepted it as the way some Windows users are and forever will be. Confucius say, Idiot who mess with root soon kill tree. Hell, I've done it. That being said, it does not therefore imply that Linux is as insecure as Windows. By any stretch. -- Tux rox!

Gordon wrote: > but it is actually possible to create User accounts in Windows with NO > PASSWORD at ALL! OK, but... > AFAIK that's not possible in Linux. ...I see you left yourself an out, Gordo, so this wrongheaded claim doesn't technically add to your AWMOW tally ("Advocate" Who's Most Often Wrong). To see that tally, multiply the number of posts you've made to cola by 0.99999. When you're done with that exercise, look into http://www.google.com/search?q=etc/shadow+empty+passwords [1] Also, didja know some live Linux distros default the root password to 'root' when you install?!?!?!?! Go Linux! Go Gordon! [1] If you read the results of that search, and if you're a bright cola idiot, you'll try to argue an 'empty' password isn't the same as no password.

* nessuno@wigner.berkeley.edu fired off this tart reply: >> That being said, it does not therefore imply that Linux is as insecure >> as Windows. By any stretch. > > My personal opinion is that if Linux is ever used widely enough that > stupid users like those in the story start to use it, then they will > get their systems hijacked, too. I hasten to add that I am not > repeating the usual troll garbage that Windows has viruses only > because of its market share. I just mean that if a user is stupid > enough, and some are, then you can do anything. Some are. That is the key. And it's the ones who are stupid, but still smart enough, that are the danger. Most people will leave the settings as they are. > (How many steps can a > stupid user be tricked into following? 1,2, 20? sudo -s, enter root > password, install keylogger? We could make a graph with number of > steps on one axis, stupidity on another... OTOH if the user is that > stupid, he/she may not know what a root password is...) On the other hand, a user smart enough to do that would also likely be smart enough to know the results. That's the big difference between Linux and Windows. Windows started from the "dumbed down" perspective. Linux did not. That's probably part of the reason some people get too nervous to use Linux. Heck, my daughter comes home for Xmas, and says "You don't have wireless?" Of course we do, I just hide the SSID and turn on WPA encryption, here, I'll set it up for you. "No, I'm afraid I'll lose my school settings." Yeesh! -- Tux rox!

* DFS fired off this tart reply: > Also, didja know some live Linux distros default the root password to 'root' > when you install?!?!?!?! > > Go Linux! Go Gordon! Idiot. -- Tux rox!

Linonut wrote: > * DFS fired off this tart reply: > >> Also, didja know some live Linux distros default the root password >> to 'root' when you install?!?!?!?! >> >> Go Linux! Go Gordon! > > Idiot. Quit running away!

Jerry McBride wrote: > DFS wrote: > >> Also, didja know some live Linux distros default the root password to >> 'root' when you install?!?!?!?! > > And how many millions of windows boxes don't even HAVE a password? I have no idea. But I do know this: Gordo was wrong as usual.

On 2007-12-21, Linonut <linonut@bollsouth.nut> claimed: > * DFS fired off this tart reply: >> If it was Windows 83 cola lusers would be snickering. > > It's a Live CD, fer cripesake. He'll never understand. Windross has no such concept. -- How much deeper would the ocean be without sponges?

Mark Dodel wrote: > On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:10:14 UTC, Sinister Midget > <fardblossom@gmail.com> wrote: > > -> On 2007-12-21, Linonut <linonut@bollsouth.nut> claimed: > -> > * DFS fired off this tart reply: > -> > -> >> If it was Windows 83 cola lusers would be snickering. > -> > > -> > It's a Live CD, fer cripesake. > -> > -> He'll never understand. Windross has no such concept. > -> > > And windoze users have no concept, or else they wouldn't be using that > pos. uh duh. My name is Gidget Dodel. uh duh. http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2006/03/burn-windows-live-cd.html

Linonut wrote: > * chrisv fired off this tart reply: >> Did you miss the blatant LIE about "when you install"? It wasn't a lie. It *might* be a mistake. For sure the root password was 'root' (Go Linux security!), and there's no reason to think it won't go ahead and create the root account with 'root' when you install from the LiveCD. > No. I thought it was just a loose way of saying "booting up with the > CD". No, I did mean it creates the root account with password 'root' when you install from the LiveCD. But I could be wrong; I went back to my earlier posts and I can't find where I actually did the install.