bobbie wrote: > Yeah, do you think the 'junker' will run Vista Premium? Yes. One of the people that left a comment said they installed Vista. http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=7754614#reviews

dapunka wrote: > On Dec 18, 3:44 am, "DFS" <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote: > >> * Office Home/Student is $125, and can be installed on 3 systems >> (meaning $14 per app per user). > > "Per app per user"? What kind of prevaricating, "My OS is nearly as > good as your OS" crap is that? Who said anything about OS's? > Face facts, DFS: the POS you support is a POS. Fact. Fact #1: Windows beats Linux down cruelly in most ways that matter: speed, consistency, look and feel, fonts, x86 hardware support, peripheral support, app quality and selection, game quality and selection, and development tools. Linux does have worthless wobbly windows and kruddy kcron. Fact #2: Linux/OSS is given away not because the developers are altruistic fellows working for the "community", but because they're talentless hacks who can't compete with MS developers, and nobody will buy their part-time gruel. Fact #3: the world loves my POS (even at high prices), and hates your POS (even at no price). Do you ever stop to think about why everyone rejects free crudware? If it was any good, it would have taken over years ago. Every other low-price, quality product in life is in huge demand, but only Linux is stuck on an endcap at MicroCenter for $1.99 - and sits there for weeks while people turn their noses up at the slop. Fact #4: Even Linus Torvald's own family won't run Linux. Can you imagine? Enjoy!

DFS <nospam@dfs_.com> did eloquently scribble: > Fact #1: Windows beats Linux down cruelly in most ways that matter: > speed, Nope. > consistency, Biiiig deal, there's consistency within desktop environment software. That's good enough. > look and feel, Yeah, right, like windows beats KDE on look and feel... > fonts, bull. > x86 hardware support, You're kidding right? > peripheral support, Ditto... > app quality and selection, Oh, right... so windows comes out of the box with everything a user could need to get his work done? (Unless he had some very specialist needs) Sorry, thought it only came with word/notepad, mine sweeper and a solitaire. My mistake. > game quality and selection, Only important if you're a gamer. Big deal, stick with windows, do we care? > and development tools. Riiiiight. SO windows comes with all the development tools installed out of the box TOO... like linux does? Didn't know that, either. So sorry. > Linux does have worthless wobbly windows and kruddy kcron. Windows has worthless solitaire and minesweeper. Your point? > Fact #2: Fact? HAH! and he accuses us of lying. What a twat. > Linux/OSS is given away not because the developers are altruistic > fellows working for the "community" Remove the not and that is the most truthful thing he's ever said. In other words... Again Doofus lies. , but because they're talentless hacks > who can't compete with MS developers, and nobody will buy their part-time > gruel. Bullcrap, as usual. > Fact #3: the world loves my POS (even at high prices), and hates your POS > (even at no price). The world.... loves... vista!???? Please... my sides, hand me a needle for they are about to split. > Fact #4: Even Linus Torvald's own family won't run Linux. Can you imagine? Big deal. -- ______________________________________________________________________________ | spike1@freenet.co.uk | | |Andrew Halliwell BSc(hons)| "The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't | | in | suck is probably the day they start making | | Computer science | vacuum cleaners" - Ernst Jan Plugge | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 07:24:57 +0000, spike1@freenet.co.uk <spike1@freenet.co.uk> wrote: >DFS <nospam@dfs_.com> did eloquently scribble: >> Fact #1: Windows beats Linux down cruelly in most ways that matter: >> speed, >Nope. >> consistency, >Biiiig deal, there's consistency within desktop environment software. >That's good enough. There's no consistency in windows. Control/f in Word to find? Try that in outlook. There's far more consistency in linux apps. He forgot the #1 area where windows excells: Making a system with 5 ghz of processor and 2 gig of ram run like a pentium 2.

* Kier fired off this tart reply: >> Kier, chill. He is trolling. He is flinging around groundless >> insults in an effort to provoke exactly the reaction he is getting. >> You are better off ignoring such verbal diarrhea. > > I'm thinking of dropping COLA altogether. The shithhead liars like DFS > make me sick. Try to have fun with them instead! If you really do need a break from COLA, take it. Find another newsgroup for a different topic and relax for awhile. -- Tux rox!

* spike1@freenet.co.uk fired off this tart reply: > DFS <nospam@dfs_.com> did eloquently scribble: >> MS Visio vs Dia > > Big deal. Age again? And actually, Dia is fairly powerful and generates good drawings. It does a lot of what Visio does. Some of how it does it is more clumsy, but some of it is less clumsy. Dia is geared out of the box for /large/ diagrams. Visio seems to be geared towards letter-size (A4) pages. Don't sell Dia short! >> Once again you call me a liar but can't show any lies. Typical frothing >> idiocy from Kier. > > ROTFL It pains me to see a nice guy like Kier jeered at by that braying jackass. -- Tux rox!

* spike1@freenet.co.uk fired off this tart reply: > DFS <nospam@dfs_.com> did eloquently scribble: > Please... my sides, hand me a needle for they are about to split. > >> Fact #4: Even Linus Torvald's own family won't run Linux. Can you imagine? > > Big deal. True. I'm sure none of the Ford boys drove Lamborghinis or Jags, either. (I can't decide, is Windows a Lamborghini or a "jag"?) -- Tux rox!

DFS <nospam@dfs_.com> did eloquently scribble: > You are wrong. Linux does not have plenty of excellent software. It has > plenty of crap software which helps keep it at a healthy 0.57% of the > market. Repeating yourself in a squeeky voice won't make it any more true. >> No, it is *not* true, and you can't show any proof of it whatever. > Open your eyes. You're so enamored of free [of cost] software that your > standards are shot to hell. Hah >> Let me know when you get round to telling the truth. You keep >> repeating the same tired lies about Linux developers. > What lies? The lies you tell. Which is just about everytime you put finger to keyboard. So they're crappy software developers? Doesn't reflect on you - > unless you deny their products are crap. He denies their software is crap. So do I. > Then it makes you look a fool. You're opinion is utterly without value. -- ______________________________________________________________________________ | spike1@freenet.co.uk | "I'm alive!!! I can touch! I can taste! | |Andrew Halliwell BSc(hons)| I can SMELL!!! KRYTEN!!! Unpack Rachel and | | in | get out the puncture repair kit!" | | Computer Science | Arnold Judas Rimmer- Red Dwarf | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

* Kier fired off this tart reply: > On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 20:33:51 -0500, Linonut wrote: > >> Try to have fun with them instead! >> >> If you really do need a break from COLA, take it. Find another >> newsgroup for a different topic and relax for awhile. > > Good advice. I may well hang out somewhere else after Christmas for a > while and hopefully return refuelled for some serious advocacy. It's time > COLA stopped obsessing over MS and looked to Linux and its future. True. It is difficult to avoid, though, since Microsoft and its mavens like to actively interfere with Linux advocacy. And trolls are everywhere. Someone here crossposted to comp.linux.development.apps (spelling?), so I've been hanging out there. There's a troll named Peter Olcutt who got a long thread going asking about how to find a text editor that worked like Windows text editors, with support for Ctrl-Right etc. He steadfastly ignored all answers, and generally got people in a tizzy by it. Then he started in (predictably) whining about his treatment and how he never got this treatment in microsoft.whatever.newsgroup. Having had a lot of practice here, I knew what he was doing after a couple of posts. Still couldn't resist jabbing at him, even though I knew he would respond with superfluous persiflage, much like Bill Weisgeberger (sp?) does. A real tholen. -- Tux rox!

cc <scatnubbs@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Driving Fords and Jags is not the same as just driving a Jag. I don't > know about Linus' family, but it the statement seems to imply that > they don't run Linux at all. I've seen no evidence other than DFS's hot air that Linus's family runs anything other than Linux. I know he has some Mac hardware, but last I heard he was running Linux on that also. Thad -- Yeah, I drank the Open Source cool-aid... Unlike the other brand, it had all the ingredients on the label.

<thad05@tux.glaci.delete-this.com> wrote in message news:sbus35-b5q.ln1@tux.glaci.com... > cc <scatnubbs@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> Driving Fords and Jags is not the same as just driving a Jag. I don't >> know about Linus' family, but it the statement seems to imply that >> they don't run Linux at all. > > I've seen no evidence other than DFS's hot air that Linus's family > runs anything other than Linux. Before claiming posts to be "hot air" perhaps you ought to at least make a slight effort to get your facts straight. The FACT that Linus's own family doesn't run Linux was made by Linus Torvalds in a recent interview. So perhaps Linus is also full of "hot air" and doesn't know what OS his own family uses? > I know he has some Mac hardware, > but last I heard he was running Linux on that also. We're not talking about what Linus runs on his hardware. It's what his own family uses which in many cases is Windows. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

Kier <vallon@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > > They aren't crappy software developers, though, that's the point. You just > hate the idea anyone could possibly want to write software and not be > paid, nor to write software and not work for MS. Claiming someone can't be a good software developer unless they are paid is as clearly false as claiming someone can't be a good a good cook unless paid. Experience in the real world proves otherwise. > It would be a lie if you did. Particularly when you haven't proved the > Linux software is 'crudware'. What you mean is, you hate Linux and > anything to do with it, you hate the idea that anyone could want to be > free to write the software they want to write and not suck the MS tit. Yet > here you are in COLA, whining and whining about something you don't want > to use and never install except to complain about. It is no use arguing with DFS. He likely does not even believe the extreme positions he claims, and even if he does you will not change his mind. You can't reason someone out of something they were not reasoned into in the first place. Ultimately his opinion does not matter. Linux stands or falls on its own merits. It is free to try and make up your own mind, so DFS and his ilk just look foolish as an increasing number of people try Linux and see it is anything but 'crudware'. It may still be a niche OS, but it is a fast growing niche, and no amount of statistical chaff thrown up by the MS fanbois can hide that. The major distros are seeing a sharp increase in repository connections. Several versions of Linux desktop system are now selling strong at retail. ISP web statistics show a noticeable up-tick in Linux browser stats. All the same types of signs that preceded the ascendency of server linux are there with desktop Linux now, for anyone to see if they take an objective look at it. It won't happen overnight. There won't be a single defining 'year of Linux' any more than there was ever a single 'Year of the Internet', but the trends are clear and irreversible. They have been for some time, but it is only now that they are becoming undeniable (its hard to argue with multiple desktop Linux products selling out at retail). You shouldn't be surprised if the wintroll Linux deniers are getting a bit more shrill in the face of that. Thad -- Yeah, I drank the Open Source cool-aid... Unlike the other brand, it had all the ingredients on the label.

Antonio Murphy <the-murph@gmail.com> wrote: > > Before claiming posts to be "hot air" perhaps you ought to at least make a > slight effort to get your facts straight. The FACT that Linus's own family > doesn't run Linux was made by Linus Torvalds in a recent interview. So > perhaps Linus is also full of "hot air" and doesn't know what OS his own > family uses? I haven't seen any reference to that interview, in this thread or elsewhere, so a link would be handy. I'll admit I often only skim the news, so I certainly could have missed this one. Thad -- Yeah, I drank the Open Source cool-aid... Unlike the other brand, it had all the ingredients on the label.

<thad05@tux.glaci.delete-this.com> wrote in message news:072t35-ejr.ln1@tux.glaci.com... > Antonio Murphy <the-murph@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Before claiming posts to be "hot air" perhaps you ought to at least make >> a >> slight effort to get your facts straight. The FACT that Linus's own >> family >> doesn't run Linux was made by Linus Torvalds in a recent interview. So >> perhaps Linus is also full of "hot air" and doesn't know what OS his own >> family uses? > > I haven't seen any reference to that interview, in this thread > or elsewhere, so a link would be handy. I provided the link in my reply to the Koalman fool. It shouldn't be too difficult to find. > ll admit I often only > skim the news, so I certainly could have missed this one. So since you haven't seen anything that disputes it and didn't bother looking your initial response is to assume somebody who makes the statement is lying and spewing "hot air." Do you always assume the presumption of guilt until proven otherwise? -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

Antonio Murphy <the-murph@gmail.com> wrote: > > And like I said. Obviously you are too stupid to use a simple search > engine. > > Results 1 - 10 of about 245,000 for linus family uses windows. (0.29 > seconds) That interview is several years old. Linus's immediate family (his wife and kids) use Linux. His mother now uses it also. Thad -- Yeah, I drank the Open Source cool-aid... Unlike the other brand, it had all the ingredients on the label.

Antonio Murphy <the-murph@gmail.com> wrote: > > So since you haven't seen anything that disputes it and didn't bother > looking your initial response is to assume somebody who makes the statement > is lying and spewing "hot air." Do you always assume the presumption of > guilt until proven otherwise? The assesment of DFS's post being 'hot air' was based on the entire content of the post, not just that one point. I am willing to be educated on that specific point, I just hadn't seen the evidence at that point (perhaps your posts were slow getting to my server). Thad -- Yeah, I drank the Open Source cool-aid... Unlike the other brand, it had all the ingredients on the label.

<thad05@tux.glaci.delete-this.com> wrote in message news:8u2t35-jos.ln1@tux.glaci.com... > Antonio Murphy <the-murph@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> And like I said. Obviously you are too stupid to use a simple search >> engine. >> >> Results 1 - 10 of about 245,000 for linus family uses windows. (0.29 >> seconds) > > That interview is several years old. Linus's immediate family (his > wife and kids) use Linux. His mother now uses it also. So nice of you to back up your statements up with an URL. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

Antonio Murphy <the-murph@gmail.com> wrote: > So you ARE too stupid to use a search engine. Why is nobody surprised? > > http://www.linux-mag.com/id/210 That's your proof? An article from 1999? Even in that article it is made clear his wife uses Linux, and even his extended family might have switched by now. Hey, I've heard that Bill Gates's family hasn't upgraded to Vista, and I've an article from ten years ago that proves it. :-/ Thad -- Yeah, I drank the Open Source cool-aid... Unlike the other brand, it had all the ingredients on the label.

<thad05@tux.glaci.delete-this.com> wrote in message news:7h4t35-64t.ln1@tux.glaci.com... > Antonio Murphy <the-murph@gmail.com> wrote: >> So you ARE too stupid to use a search engine. Why is nobody surprised? >> >> http://www.linux-mag.com/id/210 > > That's your proof? An article from 1999? Even in that article it > is made clear his wife uses Linux, and even his extended family might > have switched by now. "Might have switched" - So we're to assume that they "might have switched" for absolutely no reason at all. Hey... I have an article from 1966 that says the earth is round. Since I don't have a newer article the geometry "might have switched" to a rectangle. And since when is a mother, father and sister an extended family? It's about as immediate family as you can get. An "extended family" is aunts, uncles and cousins. > Hey, I've heard that Bill Gates's family hasn't upgraded to Vista, and > I've an article from ten years ago that proves it. :-/ Until someone comes up with more recent proof, this article remains valid. Your wishful thinking that his extended family "might have switched" by now isn't very convincing. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

Antonio Murphy <the-murph@gmail.com> wrote: > > "Might have switched" - So we're to assume that they "might have switched" > for absolutely no reason at all. Hey... I have an article from 1966 that > says the earth is round. Since I don't have a newer article the geometry > "might have switched" to a rectangle. > > And since when is a mother, father and sister an extended family? It's > about as immediate family as you can get. An "extended family" is aunts, > uncles and cousins. I wasn't claiming his parents and sister were not immediate family; my point was that 1999 was so long ago that EVEN his extended family might have switched by now. I suppose I could have phrased it more clearly. Recent articles (I provide a link in another post) mention that his mother uses Linux now, so his family is certainly shifting that direction. Thad -- Yeah, I drank the Open Source cool-aid... Unlike the other brand, it had all the ingredients on the label.

* thad05@tux.glaci.delete-this.com fired off this tart reply: > http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/notag/torvalds-family-uses-windows-not-linus-linux-311845.php I like this guy's comment: BY BOBDOBBS AT 10/17/07 01:25 PM If I invented an OS, my dad wouldn't use it either. Out of spite. His avatar is here: http://gizmodo.com/commenter/bobdobbs/ -- Tux rox!

Kier <vallon@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > > So, basically, only his father and sister use Windows. His mother uses a > Mac and his wife uses Linux. Hardly a hands'-down win for Windows, then. Actually, its even better than that. Since that article was written in 1999, his mother has converted to Linux. If we can assume his daughters also use Linux (their mom and dad do after all), then 6 out of 8 immediate family members use Linux. Thad -- Yeah, I drank the Open Source cool-aid... Unlike the other brand, it had all the ingredients on the label.

thad05@tux.glaci.delete-this.com wrote: > I've seen no evidence other than DFS's hot air that Linus's family > runs anything other than Linux. I'm sure you can find the evidence. And it is damning.

thad05@tux.glaci.delete-this.com wrote: > Claiming someone can't be a good software developer unless they are > paid is as clearly false as claiming someone can't be a good a good > cook unless paid. I agree, though it's exceedingly rare to find good unpaid (or OSS) developers. It takes time to build programming and development skills; more important than the requisite time is having a real-world project to work on, with other developers or users around. I have never said what you seem to be implying. Kier often lies and twists what I say: I claim 'OSS coders can't compete with MS coders' - he restates it as me claiming 'OSS coders want to work for MS'. > Experience in the real world proves otherwise. Who? > It is no use arguing with DFS. You're pretty much right about that, because many if not most OSS apps reek - objectively - when compared with MS\Windows\commercial programs. Linux the kernel seems good. If you look at the kernal arcana here http://widefox.pbwiki.com/Kernel%20Comparison%20Linux%20vs%20Windows Linux seems to have a lot of Y vs Windows N. Of course, I don't trust the author http://jrweare.googlepages.com/index.html for a second. But that's just hardcore tech stuff that virtually no one cares about or understands. It's all about the apps and games and x86 hardware support - why Linux wacks fail to understand that for their whole life is beyond me. > He likely does not even believe the > extreme positions he claims, and even if he does you will not change > his mind. You can't reason someone out of something they were not > reasoned into in the first place. I wouldn't say it if I didn't believe it. > Ultimately his opinion does not matter. Linux stands or falls on > its own merits. It is free to try and make up your own mind, so > DFS and his ilk just look foolish as an increasing number of people > try Linux and see it is anything but 'crudware'. But it is. The Kontact suite is the buggiest, least stable program I've run in 20 years of using PCs. Pan is full of bugs and generally crappy design and execution. OpenOffice, while offering a nice 'clone of MS Office' feature set for free, pales in comparison to it's inspiration. OO Base is embarrassingly bad - no commercial firm would ever recover its reputation if it released something like that. Consider these: >> MS Access vs OpenOffice Base >> MS Visio vs Dia >> MS Outlook vs Evolution >> MS Money vs gnucash >> MS Publisher vs Scribus >> MS Motocross Madness 2 vs X-Moto (LMAO!!!!) >> MS Excel vs Gnumeric/OO Calc >> MS SQL Server vs MySQL/PostgreSQL >> MS Visual Basic vs Gambas There's not a single good reason in the world to run any of those OSS programs if you can afford the MS version (and are willing to stick with Windows of course). I won't even go into tin and mutt and slrn. That stuff is ridiculous. The world moved on 15 years ago. Disregarding the apps and games (which is basically all a computer is useful for), the total control and flexibility Linux offers is unmatched and very impressive, and is how I believe an operating system should be architected. It's also a pain to become proficient at - I'm sort of a geek (I read computer books and mags for relaxation), but for me it's not worth the dead-end effort, but some old *nix heads seem to take to it. > It may still be a niche OS, but it is a fast growing niche, and no amount > of > statistical chaff thrown up by the MS fanbois can hide that. Of course it's fast growing: the starting population is relatively miniscule. 10% growth in a year seems impressive, until you find out it started at 20,000,000 users (of course that's pie in the sky - desktop Linux usage is actually declining according to http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp > The major distros are seeing a sharp increase in repository connections. > Several versions of Linux desktop system are now selling strong at > retail This is an unsupportable claim, and 'strong sales' is just a subjective term. > ISP web statistics show a noticeable up-tick in Linux > browser stats. Where? Who? > All the same types of signs that preceded the > ascendency of server linux are there with desktop Linux now, for > anyone to see if they take an objective look at it. > > It won't happen overnight. There won't be a single defining > 'year of Linux' any more than there was ever a single 'Year of > the Internet', but the trends are clear and irreversible. They > have been for some time, but it is only now that they are > becoming undeniable (its hard to argue with multiple desktop > Linux products selling out at retail). You shouldn't be > surprised if the wintroll Linux deniers are getting a bit more > shrill in the face of that. Yours is a slightly more reasonable, slightly more eloquent version of "it's only a matter of time before Linux takes over". It will NEVER happen. Windows is far too good and far too entrenched. Even with the Vista misstep, Linux is basically not moving.

Hadron wrote: > Whatever people need to generate income and make a living IMO. No problem with that - unless you act like a Schestowitz/Kohlmann/Kent/Linonut/Homer jag-off hypocrite and insult MS and Windows and Windows users for years, and call MS evil and criminal and their products shoddy, but turn around and use MS products to make money (or even use it at all). > I mean lets face it, > money making jobs in Linux are far, far fewer that in Windows for > obvious reasons. Yes Thad, we know you do. I do too. Most don't. Thad does Linux work for which there is no Windows counterpart (ie he talked about kernel hacking and embedded Linux jobs). You make money with Linux that you couldn't make using Windows? Or you choose to use Linux but you could use Windows? There's a difference.

cc wrote: > I exist only to remove incorrect analogies from this newsgroup. You're very specialized.

In article <fki65l$bc0$1@registered.motzarella.org>, Hadron <hadronquark@googlemail.com> wrote: > Maybe. But what do you use it for and how? How many email accounts is it > wired to? How many POP3 or IMAP feeds? How many email storage backends > does it support? How is its spam and scoring facilities? How does it > deal without professional account and your personal account? > > In fact, what does it do for you that Outlook would not do? Or, any > other "basic" email client? I don't like having my email client handle spam filtering and scoring. That's better done before the mail gets to the client. -- --Tim Smith

In article <bT%aj.26605$vt2.13165@bignews8.bellsouth.net>, "DFS" <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote: > > Claiming someone can't be a good software developer unless they are > > paid is as clearly false as claiming someone can't be a good a good > > cook unless paid. > > I agree, though it's exceedingly rare to find good unpaid (or OSS) > developers. It takes time to build programming and development skills; more > important than the requisite time is having a real-world project to work on, > with other developers or users around. What about people in school? Some people manage to become amazing developers while in school. For example, consider Trevor Blackwell, who was one of the first people hired by Paul Graham and Robert Morris. Here's how Graham describes him, in the book "Founders at Work: Stories of Startup's Early Days": Trevor is a prodigy, in the original sense of the word. When we first recruited him, we asked him to write this little piece of image-manipulating software, to kind of test him out. For 2 weeks we heard nothing from him, and I had pretty much written him off. Finally he sent me an email asking me to come to his office to see what he'd done. I went there expecting to see this new image software, and instead he's rewritten our entire system in Smalltalk‹ everything I wrote, plus everything RTM wrote. I basically said, "OK, you're hired. Now go and write the damn image software, because we're not rewriting everything in Smalltalk." -- --Tim Smith

DFS <nospam@dfs_.com> did eloquently scribble: > Hadron wrote: >> Whatever people need to generate income and make a living IMO. > No problem with that - unless you act like a > Schestowitz/Kohlmann/Kent/Linonut/Homer jag-off hypocrite and insult MS and > Windows and Windows users for years, and call MS evil and criminal and their > products shoddy, but turn around and use MS products to make money (or even > use it at all). So, now you're saying people are banned from insulting microsoft products if they use them... Aren't they the most QUALIFIED people to insult the rubbish in the first place? Guess what? I use microsoft products, and I'll damned well insult them whenever I feel like it. Word crashed on me only yesterday for the most stupid thing. Who in their right mind would expect the "Save As" dialogue box to get a "[Not responding]~? What kind of slopware IS that? Don't use them at home of course. But at work, it's always been a presence. And until BECTA get shut down or betray their microsoft paymasters, it'll likely stay that way. Microsoft IS evil and criminal. FFS, they've been convicted on 2 continents now... (or is it more than that?) -- ______________________________________________________________________________ | spike1@freenet.co.uk | "I'm alive!!! I can touch! I can taste! | |Andrew Halliwell BSc(hons)| I can SMELL!!! KRYTEN!!! Unpack Rachel and | | in | get out the puncture repair kit!" | | Computer Science | Arnold Judas Rimmer- Red Dwarf | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Gregory Shearman wrote: > DFS wrote: > >> But it is. The Kontact suite is the buggiest, least stable program >> I've run in 20 years of using PCs. > > Hmmm... I'd agree with you about Kmail being buggy and unstable, but > the Kalendar and Knode are not buggy nor are they unstable. I was speaking mostly about KNode, though KMail gives me problems too. I've used KNode a fair amount, and it is definitely the most unstable newsreader I've ever tried (tho in the past Outlook Express has lost a few messages while composing - none since OE6 in 2004). Pan is the worst GUI newreader I've ever used. It's no coincidence it's OSS.

* DFS fired off this tart reply: > Gregory Shearman wrote: > > Pan is the worst GUI newreader I've ever used. It's no coincidence it's > OSS. Nah, the worst one was Outlook Express. -- Tux rox!

Linonut wrote: > * DFS fired off this tart reply: >> It's a HUGE slap in the face for Linus. > > No, it is not. Yes, it is. > Just got finished reading a New Yorker article by the > daughter of an author who published a prize-winning novel. She's a > good writer herself, by the way. > > Only now, long after her father died, has she been able to get up the > gumption to read her daddy's novel. Why now? > Might as well say that Michael DELL is slapping Bill Gates in the face > because he runs Ubuntu. He is. It's very disloyal. Dell built 100% of his business on MS\Windows, and now he lists Ubuntu on [one of] his personal laptops. > Seriously, dude, don't you realize how pathetic you come across as? You're a Linux hypocrite; I don't care how wrong your perceptions are.

Linonut wrote: > * DFS fired off this tart reply: > >> Gregory Shearman wrote: >> >> Pan is the worst GUI newreader I've ever used. It's no coincidence >> it's OSS. > > Nah, the worst one was Outlook Express. No, it's Pan. By a long shot.