Group: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Microsoft's extremely broken Web "standards"
From: Linonut
Date: 12/15/2007 10:21:31 AM
* [H]omer fired off this tart reply: > Just shopping for spare parts, and I came across this page: > > http://www.sennheiserspares.com (commercial) > > <html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" > xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" > xmlns:dt="uuid:C2F41010-65B3-11d1-A29F-00AA00C14882" > xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> The irony. Microsoft+W3. > <!--[if !mso]> > <style> > v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} > o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} > b\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} > .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} > </style> > <![endif]--> > Oh ... my ... God! > > WTF is *that* crap?!?!?!? Stupid developers dependent on Microsoft "technology"? > That page is 53K in size. I could do it in about one tenth of that ... > with exactly the same (intended) layout. With one important difference > though ... it would actually render properly because it would use real > industry standards, and not Microsoft's alien gibberish. > > It could be worse I suppose, at least that page /rendered/ ... barely. > > This one didn't: > > http://media.slated.org/albums/userpics/Microsofts_b0rken_Web.png > > *Microsoft and their proprietary garbage are a disease.* Microsoft is a cancer! -- Tux rox!

Subject: Microsoft's extremely broken Web "standards"
From: Sinister Midget
Date: 12/16/2007 12:44:19 AM
On 2007-12-15, ray <ray@zianet.com> claimed: > On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 06:51:57 +0000, [H]omer wrote: > >> Just shopping for spare parts, and I came across this page: >> >> http://www.sennheiserspares.com (commercial) >> >> It's a very simple page, with little content, and what would be a simple >> layout *if* it actually rendered properly. >> >> On Firefox-2.0.0.09 (Linux), this is what it /actually/ looks like: >> >> http://media.slated.org/albums/userpics/sennheiser-spares.png >> > > It looked fine for me in Epiphany on my Gentoo box. It looks fine in Konq, too. But I suspect Firefox was the target. Maybe Opera as well. -- I come from a broken home. I'm the one who broke it.

Subject: Microsoft's extremely broken Web "standards"
From: SW
Date: 12/16/2007 12:15:52 PM
Sinister Midget wrote: > > It looks fine in Konq, too. But I suspect Firefox was the target. > Maybe Opera as well. You're an idiot and a liar. It does not look fine in Konqueror even with a spoofed browser UA. http://www.flickr.com/photos/21099428@N03/2115726754/

Subject: Microsoft's extremely broken Web "standards"
From: Handover Phist
Date: 12/16/2007 6:46:18 PM
SW : > Sinister Midget wrote: >> >> It looks fine in Konq, too. But I suspect Firefox was the target. >> Maybe Opera as well. > > You're an idiot and a liar. Shaddap. > It does not look fine in Konqueror even with a spoofed browser UA. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/21099428@N03/2115726754/ Are you using Fedora? -- Linux: the choice of a GNU generation -- ksh@cis.ufl.edu put this on Tshirts in '93 www.websterscafe.com

Subject: Microsoft's extremely broken Web "standards"
From: Tim Smith
Date: 12/16/2007 7:20:33 PM
On 2007-12-15, [H]omer <spam@uce.gov> wrote: > This one didn't: > > http://media.slated.org/albums/userpics/Microsofts_b0rken_Web.png That page renders fine in Firefox on Linux, Mac, and Windows. (It also renders fine in Safari on Mac and iPhone). Don't blame Microsoft when you manage to screw up your Firefox. And speaking of broken pages, why don't you fix the 29 errors on the front page of slated.org? (Or switch from xhtml to html, since the looser requirements of html may fit more with your skill level).

Subject: Microsoft's extremely broken Web "standards"
From: Tim Smith
Date: 12/16/2007 7:24:18 PM
On 2007-12-16, Hadron <hadronquark@googlemail.com> wrote: > "[H]omer" <spam@uce.gov> writes: >> It's a sad day when the best HTML creation tool in Microsoft's portfolio >> is *notepad*. > > There are probably hundreds of good free tools for html, xhtml, xml > editing. Why would MS create a free one? Well, then [H]omer could bitch about them trying to monopolize HTML creation tools. It's simple: whatever Microsoft does is wrong. If they have something, it is unfair to competitors. If they don't, they are deficient for not having it. If they lower prices, it is unfair competition. If they raise prices, it is monopoly. [H]omer's beliefs about Microsoft are religious, not rational.

Subject: Microsoft's extremely broken Web "standards"
From: Linonut
Date: 12/16/2007 8:53:18 PM
* Tim Smith fired off this tart reply: > On 2007-12-15, [H]omer <spam@uce.gov> wrote: >> This one didn't: >> >> http://media.slated.org/albums/userpics/Microsofts_b0rken_Web.png > > That page renders fine in Firefox on Linux, Mac, and Windows. (It also > renders fine in Safari on Mac and iPhone). Don't blame Microsoft when > you manage to screw up your Firefox. Which link are you talking about? http://www.sennheiserspares.com/ or http://emailsupport.spaces.live.com/ They both are readable, but formatted somewhat poorly, in Firefox, and Iceweasel. Better (but not quite perfect) in Konqueror. -- Tux rox!

Subject: Microsoft's extremely broken Web "standards"
From: Tim Smith
Date: 12/17/2007 3:32:48 AM
On 2007-12-17, Linonut <linonut@bollsouth.nut> wrote: > Which link are you talking about? > > http://www.sennheiserspares.com/ > > or > > http://emailsupport.spaces.live.com/ > > They both are readable, but formatted somewhat poorly, in Firefox, > and Iceweasel. Better (but not quite perfect) in Konqueror. The latter.

Subject: Microsoft's extremely broken Web "standards"
From: Linonut
Date: 12/15/2007 10:21:31 AM
* [H]omer fired off this tart reply: > Just shopping for spare parts, and I came across this page: > > http://www.sennheiserspares.com (commercial) > > <html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" > xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" > xmlns:dt="uuid:C2F41010-65B3-11d1-A29F-00AA00C14882" > xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> The irony. Microsoft+W3. > <!--[if !mso]> > <style> > v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} > o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} > b\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} > .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} > </style> > <![endif]--> > Oh ... my ... God! > > WTF is *that* crap?!?!?!? Stupid developers dependent on Microsoft "technology"? > That page is 53K in size. I could do it in about one tenth of that ... > with exactly the same (intended) layout. With one important difference > though ... it would actually render properly because it would use real > industry standards, and not Microsoft's alien gibberish. > > It could be worse I suppose, at least that page /rendered/ ... barely. > > This one didn't: > > http://media.slated.org/albums/userpics/Microsofts_b0rken_Web.png > > *Microsoft and their proprietary garbage are a disease.* Microsoft is a cancer! -- Tux rox!

Subject: Microsoft's extremely broken Web "standards"
From: Sinister Midget
Date: 12/16/2007 12:44:19 AM
On 2007-12-15, ray <ray@zianet.com> claimed: > On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 06:51:57 +0000, [H]omer wrote: > >> Just shopping for spare parts, and I came across this page: >> >> http://www.sennheiserspares.com (commercial) >> >> It's a very simple page, with little content, and what would be a simple >> layout *if* it actually rendered properly. >> >> On Firefox-2.0.0.09 (Linux), this is what it /actually/ looks like: >> >> http://media.slated.org/albums/userpics/sennheiser-spares.png >> > > It looked fine for me in Epiphany on my Gentoo box. It looks fine in Konq, too. But I suspect Firefox was the target. Maybe Opera as well. -- I come from a broken home. I'm the one who broke it.

Subject: Microsoft's extremely broken Web "standards"
From: SW
Date: 12/16/2007 12:15:52 PM
Sinister Midget wrote: > > It looks fine in Konq, too. But I suspect Firefox was the target. > Maybe Opera as well. You're an idiot and a liar. It does not look fine in Konqueror even with a spoofed browser UA. http://www.flickr.com/photos/21099428@N03/2115726754/

Subject: Microsoft's extremely broken Web "standards"
From: Handover Phist
Date: 12/16/2007 6:46:18 PM
SW : > Sinister Midget wrote: >> >> It looks fine in Konq, too. But I suspect Firefox was the target. >> Maybe Opera as well. > > You're an idiot and a liar. Shaddap. > It does not look fine in Konqueror even with a spoofed browser UA. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/21099428@N03/2115726754/ Are you using Fedora? -- Linux: the choice of a GNU generation -- ksh@cis.ufl.edu put this on Tshirts in '93 www.websterscafe.com

Subject: Microsoft's extremely broken Web "standards"
From: Tim Smith
Date: 12/16/2007 7:20:33 PM
On 2007-12-15, [H]omer <spam@uce.gov> wrote: > This one didn't: > > http://media.slated.org/albums/userpics/Microsofts_b0rken_Web.png That page renders fine in Firefox on Linux, Mac, and Windows. (It also renders fine in Safari on Mac and iPhone). Don't blame Microsoft when you manage to screw up your Firefox. And speaking of broken pages, why don't you fix the 29 errors on the front page of slated.org? (Or switch from xhtml to html, since the looser requirements of html may fit more with your skill level).

Subject: Microsoft's extremely broken Web "standards"
From: Tim Smith
Date: 12/16/2007 7:24:18 PM
On 2007-12-16, Hadron <hadronquark@googlemail.com> wrote: > "[H]omer" <spam@uce.gov> writes: >> It's a sad day when the best HTML creation tool in Microsoft's portfolio >> is *notepad*. > > There are probably hundreds of good free tools for html, xhtml, xml > editing. Why would MS create a free one? Well, then [H]omer could bitch about them trying to monopolize HTML creation tools. It's simple: whatever Microsoft does is wrong. If they have something, it is unfair to competitors. If they don't, they are deficient for not having it. If they lower prices, it is unfair competition. If they raise prices, it is monopoly. [H]omer's beliefs about Microsoft are religious, not rational.

Subject: Microsoft's extremely broken Web "standards"
From: Linonut
Date: 12/16/2007 8:53:18 PM
* Tim Smith fired off this tart reply: > On 2007-12-15, [H]omer <spam@uce.gov> wrote: >> This one didn't: >> >> http://media.slated.org/albums/userpics/Microsofts_b0rken_Web.png > > That page renders fine in Firefox on Linux, Mac, and Windows. (It also > renders fine in Safari on Mac and iPhone). Don't blame Microsoft when > you manage to screw up your Firefox. Which link are you talking about? http://www.sennheiserspares.com/ or http://emailsupport.spaces.live.com/ They both are readable, but formatted somewhat poorly, in Firefox, and Iceweasel. Better (but not quite perfect) in Konqueror. -- Tux rox!

Subject: Microsoft's extremely broken Web "standards"
From: Tim Smith
Date: 12/17/2007 3:32:48 AM
On 2007-12-17, Linonut <linonut@bollsouth.nut> wrote: > Which link are you talking about? > > http://www.sennheiserspares.com/ > > or > > http://emailsupport.spaces.live.com/ > > They both are readable, but formatted somewhat poorly, in Firefox, > and Iceweasel. Better (but not quite perfect) in Konqueror. The latter.