Group: comp.os.linux.hardware


Subject: How can a TV know that an image is coming from a computer, not a comsumer set-top box?
From: Woody
Date: 12/15/2007 8:47:07 AM
"T Shadow" <blackhole@nowhere.void.com> wrote in message news:4762e1d6$0$6975$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... > "D" <tarb@bk.ru> wrote in message > news:6b06099c-555c-49da-aa99-4b8641e19c36@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com... >> Hello! >> According to Samsung LE-32r71b HDTV manual the TV cannot receive an >> image from a computer through its HDMI input, but through its d-sub >> only. Is it really true? How can the TV know that an image is coming >> from a computer, not a comsumer set-top box? My video card is >> Gigabyte >> HD 2600Pro. I would like to use a DVI-HDMI cable. >> Regards, >> Dima > > Wouldn't rule out technical reasons but probably they just don't want > to > answer questions about it. Puts the onus on you. > Likely because HDMI has authentication handshaking built in to its protocol and the PC may not be savvy to such things. -- Woody harrogate three at ntlworld dot com

Subject: How can a TV know that an image is coming from a computer, not a comsumer set-top box?
From: phil-news-nospam@ipal.net
Date: 12/15/2007 2:48:19 PM
In alt.tv.tech.hdtv Woody <woody@spamblock.com> wrote: | | "T Shadow" <blackhole@nowhere.void.com> wrote in message | news:4762e1d6$0$6975$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... |> "D" <tarb@bk.ru> wrote in message |> news:6b06099c-555c-49da-aa99-4b8641e19c36@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com... |>> Hello! |>> According to Samsung LE-32r71b HDTV manual the TV cannot receive an |>> image from a computer through its HDMI input, but through its d-sub |>> only. Is it really true? How can the TV know that an image is coming |>> from a computer, not a comsumer set-top box? My video card is |>> Gigabyte |>> HD 2600Pro. I would like to use a DVI-HDMI cable. |>> Regards, |>> Dima |> |> Wouldn't rule out technical reasons but probably they just don't want |> to |> answer questions about it. Puts the onus on you. |> | | Likely because HDMI has authentication handshaking built in to its | protocol and the PC may not be savvy to such things. HDMI and DVI are essentially the same thing, but with different connection and no standard for audio over DVI. Presumably you can even do HDCP over DVI if it doesn't need the sound are part of its authentication checks. -- |---------------------------------------/----------------------------------| | Phil Howard KA9WGN (ka9wgn.ham.org) / Do not send to the address below | | first name lower case at ipal.net / spamtrap-2007-12-15-0846@ipal.net | |------------------------------------/-------------------------------------|

Subject: How can a TV know that an image is coming from a computer, not a comsumer set-top box?
From: phil-news-nospam@ipal.net
Date: 12/16/2007 1:37:36 AM
In alt.tv.tech.hdtv steveo <gnsemail@cox.net> wrote: | | <phil-news-nospam@ipal.net> wrote in message | news:fk0pfj326d@news3.newsguy.com... |> In alt.tv.tech.hdtv Woody <woody@spamblock.com> wrote: |> | |> | "T Shadow" <blackhole@nowhere.void.com> wrote in message |> | news:4762e1d6$0$6975$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... |> |> "D" <tarb@bk.ru> wrote in message |> |> |> news:6b06099c-555c-49da-aa99-4b8641e19c36@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com... |> |>> Hello! |> |>> According to Samsung LE-32r71b HDTV manual the TV cannot receive an |> |>> image from a computer through its HDMI input, but through its d-sub |> |>> only. Is it really true? How can the TV know that an image is coming |> |>> from a computer, not a comsumer set-top box? My video card is |> |>> Gigabyte |> |>> HD 2600Pro. I would like to use a DVI-HDMI cable. |> |>> Regards, |> |>> Dima |> |> |> |> Wouldn't rule out technical reasons but probably they just don't want |> |> to |> |> answer questions about it. Puts the onus on you. |> |> |> | |> | Likely because HDMI has authentication handshaking built in to its |> | protocol and the PC may not be savvy to such things. |> |> HDMI and DVI are essentially the same thing, but with different connection |> and no standard for audio over DVI. Presumably you can even do HDCP over |> DVI if it doesn't need the sound are part of its authentication checks. | | Most cable STB use DVI and they most certainly have HDCP enabled. DVI? Really? So when you hook it to your TV with a DVI-to-HDMI cable, do you hear anything? -- |---------------------------------------/----------------------------------| | Phil Howard KA9WGN (ka9wgn.ham.org) / Do not send to the address below | | first name lower case at ipal.net / spamtrap-2007-12-15-1937@ipal.net | |------------------------------------/-------------------------------------|

Subject: How can a TV know that an image is coming from a computer, not a comsumer set-top box?
From: phil-news-nospam@ipal.net
Date: 12/16/2007 1:41:31 AM
In alt.tv.tech.hdtv Scott Alfter <scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us> wrote: | In article <13m8jp1dehh98e3@corp.supernews.com>, | Glenn Millar <usenet@glennmillar.plus.com> wrote: |>In reality, you wouldn't want to use the HDMI connection to connect a |>PC. The best results on my 50" samsung is via the VGA connector. That |>way I get full 1360x768@30hz progressive whereas 720p or 1080i is in |>actually a lesser resolution. | | There's no reason you can't use the same modeline over DVI or HDMI that you | would use with VGA. On the contrary, in my experience it's been much easier | to get LCDs working on a digital connection than on an analog connection. | LCDs sold for computer use have a button on them that usually allows them to | sync up to a VGA signal, but LCD TVs rarely have this option. To get a 1:1 | correspondence between pixels in the framebuffer and pixels on the screen, | you then have to do extensive tinkering with modelines...and you might never | come up with a working modeline. | | My TV has a native resolution of 1280x768. I generated a modeline for that | resolution at 60 Hz and plugged it into xorg.conf, and over DVI, it Just | Works. Don't forget that some poor saps are stuck with Windows and don't know how to get into the registry. Now if I could only find a TV _or_ monitor that would do video at 23.976 Hz frame rate, in LCD, in the size and resolution of interest. -- |---------------------------------------/----------------------------------| | Phil Howard KA9WGN (ka9wgn.ham.org) / Do not send to the address below | | first name lower case at ipal.net / spamtrap-2007-12-15-1939@ipal.net | |------------------------------------/-------------------------------------|

Subject: How can a TV know that an image is coming from a computer, not a comsumer set-top box?
From: phil-news-nospam@ipal.net
Date: 12/19/2007 2:32:59 AM
In alt.tv.tech.hdtv T Shadow <blackhole@nowhere.void.com> wrote: | I'd assume "HDMI ready" means something else is needed and not presently | supported. DVI is not HDMI and has no pins for sound.. The description from the page in a URL he gave elsewhere says an adapator is needed. That opens the possibility of, once the adapter is detected by the video card, changing some of the pin out usage from standard to a proprietary usage that the adapter is made for, such as audio over either the 2nd video port lines or the analog lines. -- |---------------------------------------/----------------------------------| | Phil Howard KA9WGN (ka9wgn.ham.org) / Do not send to the address below | | first name lower case at ipal.net / spamtrap-2007-12-18-2031@ipal.net | |------------------------------------/-------------------------------------|