larry moe 'n curly <larrymoencurly@my-deja.com> writes: >I don't know about warranty claims, but I've gotten the best mobo tech >support from Intel, DFI, and Supermicro, especially the latter. I cannot talk about tech support, but here's our experience: We have two different kinds of Supermicro boards: - an X7DBE+, and we are happy with that. - four PDSME+ boards in Supermicro cases, and these make problems: They drive the original Intel CPU fan so slowly (at about 1000rpm) that the CPU (Xeon 3070) overheats under load, even with the "4-pin fans at full speed" BIOS option. lm_sensors does not work. A BIOS update did not help. We contacted our supplier, and eventually they found a workaround by converting the Intel fan into a 3-pin fan and switching the BIOS into 3-pin mode (then the fan spins at 1500rpm, not great, but cool enough). I don't know if they contacted Supermicro tech support for that. >How good is Tyan? We have several different Tyan boards, and are happy with them, so no contact with tech support. - anton -- M. Anton Ertl Some things have to be seen to be believed anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at Most things have to be believed to be seen http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/home.html

What a bunch of crap!! Are you some kind of troll just looking for ways to waste bandwidth. Your information is certainly inaccurate and especially about ASUS motherboards. Also your cross posting further indicates the troll that I mentioned. I know that asking you to refrain from wasting bandwidth on nonsense and really bad information is wasted but here is trying!! Len <pc.expertise@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1193986531.925865.93330@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com... > On Nov 1, 5:09 pm, "Michael W. Ryder" <_mwry...@worldnet.att.net> > wrote: >> pc.expert...@gmail.com wrote: >> > I have a motherboard by Microstar International of Taiwan, ie MSI P35- >> > Neo2-FR. This board has a fundamental design flaw. The Al888T audio >> > chip has too little power and the BIOS are screwed up. When I disable >> > the audio feature in the integrated peripherals in BIOS, the board >> > freezes. You cannot disable the audio in the BIOS. That is why, this >> > board which has 4 heat pipes is in the $115 price range, where as >> > similar boards by Gigabyte are in $200 price range. But Gigabyte uses >> > the audio codec by the same company, Realtek. Most of the feedbacks in >> > the newegg and other sites are bogus and by the vendors. Probably, >> > their design engineers wrote them, because some of the work arounds >> > simply need too detailed info of the internals. >> >> > MSI is a terrible Taiwanese company. Another Terrible Taiwanese >> > company is Gigabyte. Both are located in the City of Industry, >> > California. It would be interesting to try to call their 626 numbers >> > and get in touch with their tech support. You will be hearing their >> > music all day long. >> >> > Asus does not have a 800 number and try ever getting to their tech >> > support, and this is despite the fact that asus charges arm and leg. >> > The fact is that Asus does not have good quality for the right price >> > either. >> >> You must have had bad experiences with ASUS as mine were the exact >> opposite. In over ten years of buying their boards I have had one with >> a problem. I got hold of their tech support in a couple of minutes and >> had a RMA shortly afterwards. A little over a week later I had a >> replacement board. Why you feel this is bad service, or that ASUS makes >> bad boards I don't see. I started using their boards after a >> recommendation from a friend at Microsoft who said that a lot of the >> people there were using their boards. >> I don't expect any company to make upgrades available for their hardware >> years after it was released but ASUS does. When I bought a P2B-S >> motherboard the highest Pentium available was only capable of going up >> to 450 MHz. I later upgraded the BIOS and installed an 850 MHz CPU in >> and everything worked as if the board was designed for the processor. >> I might have bought cheaper motherboards in the past but reliability and >> ease of setup are far more important to me than a couple of dollars >> savings, especially if I don't have to replace the board every time I >> want to do an upgrade. > > Actually, I have an ASUS motherboard. Its BIOS are NOT BEING provided > by ASUS but are being sold by Phoenix or AMI BIOS which ever wrote > them > originally. ASUS NEVER BOTHERED TO UPGRADE THEIR BIOS AND > PROVIDE CUSTOMERS FOR FREE. That feature has to do with the > addressing of the recent large EIDE hard drives. The conclusion about > ASUS > is that it is selling the same cheap crap as the Taiwanese companies. > Its > just that their people speak better english and are a little more > politically > correct. But not necessarily, actually correct. > > For example, I would like to know what codec ASUS MB offer and for > what > cost? Their MB has no heat pipes but still it is as expensive as MSI. > With > heat pipes it is in $250-300 range. so they already charged for > replacement. > MSI was not bad for replacement, once you found a way over the hurdles > they erected. > >> > Anyone know a good motherboard company for the core 2 duo and core 2 >> > quad CPU by Intel and using DDR2 800MHz memory, 4 slots, upto 8Gig ? >> >> > Hadrian > >

"Len Mattix" <len207@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:BZSdnb6-nfqFEbHanZ2dnUVZ_siknZ2d@adelphia.com... > <pc.expertise@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1193986531.925865.93330@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com... > What a bunch of crap!! Are you some kind of troll just looking for ways to > waste bandwidth. Your information is certainly inaccurate and especially > about ASUS motherboards. I will never buy another piece of ASUS equipment. 1. Sound-on-board circuitry of a P4P800S died within 18 months of purchase (2004.) 2. Inquiring how to buy the wireless card (pictured in the P4P800S product guide) . . . -- 4 Sept 2006 emailed via http://vip.asus.com/eservice/techserv.aspx -- email reply Sept. 7 referred me to 510 739 3777 Accessory Dept. -- I called Sept. 27; respondent undertook to reply phone or email (not done) -- I called Sept. 29: referred to 502 995 0883 option 5 -- which hung up after 5 min. waiting Case Code :WTM20060905436466318 It is simplest to avoid vendors like this. -- Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada)