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Subject: [OT] Fractions on musical notation
From: Brian Victor
Date: 12/17/2007 1:04:51 AM
Gabriel Genellina wrote:
> On 16 dic, 06:40, Lie <Lie.1...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> [btw, off topic, in music, isn't 1/4 and 2/8 different? I'm not very
>> keen of music though, so correct me if I'm wrong.]
> As a time signature 1/4 has no sense
Actually, I'm playing a show right now that has a one beat vamp. It's a
single repeated measure in 1/4 time.
To addres the real point, though, I don't think of a time signature as a
rational number, although it correctly reflects what portion of a whole
note can be found within a measure. I consider it to have two separate
pieces of information: the length of the beat and the number of those
beats per bar. When I've written code to represent music I have used
rationals to represent when something occurs, but a different structure
to represent time signatures.
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Brian
Subject: [OT] Fractions on musical notation
From: Neil Cerutti
Date: 12/17/2007 1:35:39 PM
On 2007-12-17, Gabriel Genellina <gagsl-py2@yahoo.com.ar> wrote:
> On 16 dic, 06:40, Lie <Lie.1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> [btw, off topic, in music, isn't 1/4 and 2/8 different? I'm not very
>> keen of music though, so correct me if I'm wrong.]
>
> As a time signature 1/4 has no sense, but 3/4 and 6/8 are
> different things. In the standard musical notation both numbers
> are written one above the other, and no "division" line is
> used. Note that they just *look* like a fraction when written
> in text form, like here, because it's not easy to write one
> above the other. 3/4 is read as "three by four", not "three
> quarters" -at least in my country- so there is even less
> confussion.
Time signatures are crap. They should have switched to a number
over a note value a long time ago; we could have easily avoided
abominable travesties like the time signature on the 2nd
movement of Beethoven's 9th (B needed four over dotted quarter). If
music notation had been invented by a computer scientist we
wouldn't be stuck in the current mess in which 6/8 means two
completely different meters (3 over quarter, or 2 over dotted
quarter).
And... er... Python doesn't need a time signature data type. But
rationals would be quite nifty. ;-)
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Neil Cerutti
Subject: [OT] Fractions on musical notation
From: Terry Reedy
Date: 12/16/2007 10:32:35 PM
"Dan Upton" <upton@virginia.edu> wrote in message
news:5504f9ac0712161822p76a87bc7h7b8b315e8a1e2968@mail.gmail.com...
|> Since the US, at least, uses
whole/half/quarter/eighth/sixteenth...
| > notes, three-quarter and six-eight time falls out...
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| I don't think this is technically true, but I've never been able to
| tell the difference.
I learned three-four, four-four, six-eight, etc. as time sigs. Not a
fraction.
Subject: [OT] Fractions on musical notation
From: Terry Reedy
Date: 12/17/2007 2:05:11 PM
"Dan Upton" <upton@virginia.edu> wrote in message
news:5504f9ac0712171041lbb0fd0bv296d31a7bb8e4126@mail.gmail.com...
| > | > notes, three-quarter and six-eight time falls out...
| > |
| > | I don't think this is technically true, but I've never been able to
| > | tell the difference.
| >
| > I learned three-four, four-four, six-eight, etc. as time sigs. Not a
| > fraction.
| >
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| I can't tell whether you're agreeing with me or not...
I disagreed with three-quarter rather than three-four and agreed with
six-eight.
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