I like the GST tax cut. Chretien and the Libs promised to get rid of the GST and of course never did. This is the second time the Rt.Hon.Steven Harper has cut the GST. Who knows by the time the next election is called it might be eliminated. The are also hundreds of dollars in tax savings retroactive to the first of this Gregorian yr. As long as the opposition can't force an election it doesn't matter what their poll standings are. Cdns are not clamouring for pot head Layton or French citizen Dion. -- Read and obey the Bible. Yu'shua died on the cross for our sins, He rose again and walked the earth. We are awaiting the Third Coming aka The Day Of Judgment. Sheep are extremely fluffy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4NEbU_YkZw#gAhmzK_HQgc "simplicity" <stella_pigeon@yahoo.ca> wrote in message news:1193800298.727133.102010@z9g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... > On Oct 30, 7:24 pm, ar...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Karen Gordon) wrote: >> (K): And they wonder why they can't get out of the low 30s in the >> polls?... >> __________________________ >> >> THE CANADIAN PRESS - October 30, 2007 >> >> GST cut would buy about one pizza a month for most buyers: economist > > Oh, really, one pizza a month, you say? > > How about one small bun a day (assuming the bun is about 30 cents). > > Or just over a penny every hour. > > You are so right, Karen... Just a penny... who cares... > you wouldn't even bother to bend to pick up one on the street. > >

"Greg Carr" <gregpcarr@yahoo.ca> wrote in message news:y0XVi.163671$1y4.72204@pd7urf2no... >I like the GST tax cut. Chretien and the Libs promised to get rid of the >GST and of course never did. This is the second time the Rt.Hon.Steven >Harper has cut the GST. Who knows by the time the next election is called >it might be eliminated. The are also hundreds of dollars in tax savings >retroactive to the first of this Gregorian yr. Remember the Conservatives brought it in. Sort of like take 7% and give you back 2%? If this makes you happy, have I got some deals for you.

"Greg Carr" <gregpcarr@yahoo.ca> writes: >I like the GST tax cut. Chretien and the Libs promised to get rid of the GST >and of course never did. Ya, cutting the GST benefits the American's more then us ... always a good thing. See, if the government wanted to benefit *us*, they would cut personal income taxes, and put the money back into our pockets ... GST taxes what we buy, so only costs *us* IF and when we buy things ... so, for instance, makes it cheaper to buy a car ... but, how often do you buy a car? I guess it depends on how much you earn a year though ... do you save more in GST a year by a 1% cut in GST, then you would make a year with a 1% cut in personal income taxes? Of course, looking at it from the other side, how much do we lose a year with a 1% cut in GST from international tourists (American's, mostly)? Money that could be used to further reduce personal income taxes ... Basically, would you rather be taxed 43% while you make the money, or 6/7% while you spend it? In one case, you get to decide whether you can afford to be taxed, in the other, the government just lobs off that amount for you, whether you can afford it or not ... -- ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664

"Marc G. Fournier From:" <scrappy@hub.org> wrote in message news:fga6f3$26h5$1@news.hub.org... > "Greg Carr" <gregpcarr@yahoo.ca> writes: > >>I like the GST tax cut. Chretien and the Libs promised to get rid of the >>GST >>and of course never did. > > Ya, cutting the GST benefits the American's more then us ... always a good > thing. Huh? You brain dead? Just like Canadians will not go to Arizona with a 62 cent loone, I know of peopel who say going to Toronto for training courses is plain outright stupid. PST/GST/hotel taxes, airport taxes, cab rates, more taxes at the airport, cheaper for someone in Detroit to fly to San Diago than drive 1.5 hours. Takes you longer to get through airport security. > See, if the government wanted to benefit *us*, they would cut personal > income > taxes, and put the money back into our pockets ... GST taxes what we buy, > so > only costs *us* IF and when we buy things ... so, for instance, makes it > cheaper to buy a car ... but, how often do you buy a car? They would lop $100B+ pork spending and give it right back to the people who provided it. But look at todays numbers og $60B in cuts, IF you work, you will be lucky to see 10% of how this number was cooked. They are cooked and a total farce. An insult to inteligent Canadians. > I guess it depends on how much you earn a year though ... do you save more > in > GST a year by a 1% cut in GST, then you would make a year with a 1% cut in > personal income taxes? More. That is why cutting the GST helps all Canadians. It was a crooked tax grab from the Mulruiny days, kept on by the NDP and Libs who like spending taxpayers money. > Of course, looking at it from the other side, how much do we lose a year > with a 1% cut in GST from international tourists (American's, mostly)? > Money > that could be used to further reduce personal income taxes ... Americans are taveling America this year, lower taxes, lower costs, lower fuel prices, lower all around. > Basically, would you rather be taxed 43% while you make the money, or 6/7% > while > you spend it? In one case, you get to decide whether you can afford to be > taxed, > in the other, the government just lobs off that amount for you, whether > you can > afford it or not ... GST never replaced income tax. It was an INCREMENTAL tax in the way it came in. A bad joke on Canadian taxpayer/workers. I would be all for dropping income tax and having a 20% PST, so long as all other taxes get removed at the SAME day. No more idle BS from Ottawa greedy slime balls trying the double take. Government will expand to their revenue.

<skepticalmale@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1193851131.807669.298650@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com... > We should have a flat tax, no loopholes for the rich or corporations. > The middle income earners have a disproportionate amount of the tax > load. Good point but for one problem. Government uses tax complexity to make you feel the other guy is getting screwed. Say I put a secular tax on your business. Most Canadians will not complain, as they didn't get screwed. Then it is there turn to get tax screwed, and you think it is fair. In the mean time the government just raised the bar of total taxation much higher any you both lose. And did it with public support. Just that most Canadians do not see this. It goes round robin, cigs, booze, utilities, gasoline, natural gas, transportation, duties, levies, electricity, EI/UI, surtaxes, surcharges, fees, franchise fees, environmental fees, tariffs, duties, GST, PST, royalties, carbon tax, CPP, UI, you name it. The government has more ways to tax you than you (or I) can ever count. But the theory is not to hurt any one group at a time too much as to cause a revolt. Government milks more out of you this way. Conflict management I think is the term, taught in university MBA courses too. Hitler used it to. Get the people to hate each other and they will not focus on you, the culprit. In this case, Ottawa greed is the culprit. Libs, Cons and NDP embrace it. They will continue until the voter votes for their hard earned wages and puts and end to ever encroaching government on our wealth and lives.

skepticalmale@hotmail.com writes: >Income taxesw ere cut by 0.5% on the first $37k you earn, about $255. >With the increased standardized deduction of $9600.00 , most Canadians >will have pay less taxes in the 2007 tax year. The problem is the >goverments revenue is exceeding their expenses, so they could reduce >our overall tax burden up front, but that will never happen. Take a >lot , give back a little. >We should have a flat tax, no loopholes for the rich or corporations. >The middle income earners have a disproportionate amount of the tax >load. flat tax ... isn't that what the GST is? The thing is, a consumption tax is, in a lot of ways, more fair then income taxes, as its across the board ... not that I'm saying 0% income tax is good, there is a World Bank report comparing the two that I can't seem to find the whole thing online to read, but, for arguments sake, let's go with 0% income tax ... With a consumption only tax, the rich end up paying higher taxes then 'the poor / middle class', mainly because they can afford to buy higher priced 'things' (bigger cars, bigger houses, more expensive vacations, etc ... Now, those same 'rich' also tend to have very good accountants, that know all of the ways of hedging their money ... so, even if you raise that income tax from 0% -> 15.5%, chances are 'the rich' aren't even paying close to 15.5% ... but the poor/middle class still are ... With a consumption tax, whether you are rich, poor or middle class, you pay the same % ... but, by reducing the income tax, you are giving the poor/middle class more money in their pockets to spend as they see fit ... let *them* decide where they want to contribute taxes, vs just having it taken from them blindly ... -- ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664

"Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> writes: >This morning's the paper must have misprinted. $60B of tax cuts. Now I >admit, this math may not be accurate as it is off the cuff but can't be as >far off as $60B as printed in the papers. >33M population, maybe 1/2 work and file. Say be generous, 18M file and work >or file. 18M and you file you benefit $120-500 per year. Ok, lets be >generous and say everyone who files and works gets $500. >500*18M=9B. What is Harpo up to with the other $51B? Graft, corruption for >the corporations or just pain BS? >Another way to look at it is 60B is almost $2000 per man, woman, retiree and >child in existence in Canada's borders. >Or more than $4000 if you actually work. >Something smells like a bad skunk here. Its $60B over 6 years ... $10B per year ... -- ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664

"Marc G. Fournier From:" <scrappy@hub.org> wrote in message news:fgblsc$2fuo$3@news.hub.org... > "Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> writes: > > >>This morning's the paper must have misprinted. $60B of tax cuts. Now I >>admit, this math may not be accurate as it is off the cuff but can't be as >>far off as $60B as printed in the papers. > >>33M population, maybe 1/2 work and file. Say be generous, 18M file and >>work >>or file. 18M and you file you benefit $120-500 per year. Ok, lets be >>generous and say everyone who files and works gets $500. > >>500*18M=9B. What is Harpo up to with the other $51B? Graft, corruption >>for >>the corporations or just pain BS? > >>Another way to look at it is 60B is almost $2000 per man, woman, retiree >>and >>child in existence in Canada's borders. > >>Or more than $4000 if you actually work. > >>Something smells like a bad skunk here. > > Its $60B over 6 years ... $10B per year ... > In other words, chicken shit made to sound like something meaningful. They take 7, give back 2 and we being 5% under are supposed to be happy? They are not giving anyone anything, they are just taking a minuscule amount less.

"Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> writes: >In other words, chicken shit made to sound like something meaningful. Well, ya ... that's why they put all that in 'the small print', cause few ppl remember their glasses before reading the paper :) And TV news tells you diddly shit ... they don't have enough time ... Personally, i want them to raise the GST, and lower my Personal Income Tax ... then *I* can decide how much, and when, to give my money to the government ... -- ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664

skepticalmale@hotmail.com writes: >I menat aflat income tax, no loop holes for the rich. No matter how >good your accountant is...lol. Boy, that is soooooo easy to get around ... the 'rich ppl' form an offshore shell corporation that holds their money, and does all billing through it ... its actually becoming fairly common practice in the US ... The only money they then get taxed on is that which they declare as 'personal income', and their 'corporate income' is touchable ... -- ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664

"Marc G. Fournier From:" <scrappy@hub.org> wrote in message news:fgd0gb$sos$1@news.hub.org... > "Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> writes: > > >>In other words, chicken shit made to sound like something meaningful. > > Well, ya ... that's why they put all that in 'the small print', cause few > ppl remember their glasses before reading the paper :) And TV news tells > you diddly shit ... they don't have enough time ... > > Personally, i want them to raise the GST, and lower my Personal Income Tax > ... > then *I* can decide how much, and when, to give my money to the government > ... I would be game for that too, but it MUST replace income tax. Not a promise, not a transition, not incremental, a whole scale out right replacement in the absolute sense. Trouble was Mulruiny brought it in, liebrawlers and newly defunct party endorced it and the average Canadian got tax-screwed. It should either replace income tax, or be abolished. But quite riding the fence, it hurts in the crotch.