Monday, October 08, 2007 Many Jews unsettled over Harper holiday greetings Puzzled card recipients want to know how PM knew their religion Glen McGregor , The Ottawa Citizen When Michelle Kofman found a Rosh Hashanah greeting card from Prime Minister Stephen Harper in her mailbox last month, she was left with one puzzling question: How does he know I'm Jewish? Ms. Kofman was one of several Jewish people who have expressed discomfort with the colourful greeting card sent out by the Prime Minister's Office to celebrate the religious new year holiday. A marketing manager from the Toronto suburb of Thornhill, Ms. Kofman is suspicious about how she got on the prime minister's mailing list and found it unsettling that the address line of the card included her middle name. A Conservative official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the mailing lists the Prime Minister's Office uses are drawn from community directories, free publications available to the general public or word of mouth from friends and relatives, but not government records. Congratulatory messages for religious or cultural holidays are routinely sent out, the official said. But Ms. Kofman said she is not a member of any Jewish organizations and, to her knowledge, isn't listed in any directories catering to the Jewish community. "I don't belong to a synagogue and I don't give to Israel," said Ms. Kofman, who notes she is not a Conservative party supporter. "I'm not a card-carrying member of the tribe. I just happen to be from a Jewish family." She feels the Rosh Hashanah card is an attempt to exploit her religion for political gain. "I think he's just out to get the Jewish vote. But that's not the way to do it. That's so insincere. I know that Jews seem to think Stephen Harper is so pro-Israel. I think he's capitalizing on that." _______________________________________ Friday, October 19, 2007 Jewish greeting cards prompt privacy commissioner probe Tory gave names of families who received Rosh Hashanah cards The federal privacy commissioner is investigating whether the Prime Minister's Office breached privacy laws when it mailed Rosh Hashanah cards to thousands of Jewish Canadians, including Richmond citizens. But Richmond Conservative Party member Howard Jampolsky, who is Jewish, says he can tell the commissioner exactly where the party got the names from. "Those names were supplied by me to the party," Jampolsky told the News. The privacy commissioner launched the preliminary inquiry after it received several complaints from Jewish Canadians who received Rosh Hashanah cards from Prime Minister Stephen Harper last month. The cards feature a photo of Harper and his family wishing Jewish families a Happy New Year. Some recipients wondered how Harper's office got the mailing addresses based on citizens' ethnicity or religion -- something that could be a breach of privacy laws, if the information came from federal databanks, like the Canada Revenue Agency. "They're asking why they received the mailing and how what they consider to be personal information was collected," said Colin McKay, a spokesman for the privacy commissioner. """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" Conservative government: a government that once bought, stays bought """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

"Karen Gordon" <ar231@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message news:fg84ar$rv4$1@theodyn.ncf.ca... > Monday, October 08, 2007 > > Many Jews unsettled over Harper holiday greetings > > Puzzled card recipients want to know how PM knew their religion > Glen McGregor , The Ottawa Citizen > > When Michelle Kofman found a Rosh Hashanah greeting card from Prime > Minister Stephen Harper in her mailbox last month, she was left with one > puzzling question: How does he know I'm Jewish? > > Ms. Kofman was one of several Jewish people who have expressed discomfort > with the colourful greeting card sent out by the Prime Minister's Office > to celebrate the religious new year holiday. > > A marketing manager from the Toronto suburb of Thornhill, Ms. Kofman is > suspicious about how she got on the prime minister's mailing list and > found it unsettling that the address line of the card included her middle > name. > > A Conservative official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the > mailing lists the Prime Minister's Office uses are drawn from community > directories, free publications available to the general public or word of > mouth from friends and relatives, but not government records. > Congratulatory messages for religious or cultural holidays are routinely > sent out, the official said. > > But Ms. Kofman said she is not a member of any Jewish organizations and, > to her knowledge, isn't listed in any directories catering to the Jewish > community. > > "I don't belong to a synagogue and I don't give to Israel," said Ms. > Kofman, who notes she is not a Conservative party supporter. "I'm not a > card-carrying member of the tribe. I just happen to be from a Jewish family." > > She feels the Rosh Hashanah card is an attempt to exploit her religion for > political gain. > > "I think he's just out to get the Jewish vote. But that's not the way to > do it. That's so insincere. I know that Jews seem to think Stephen Harper > is so pro-Israel. I think he's capitalizing on that." > _______________________________________ > > Friday, October 19, 2007 > > Jewish greeting cards prompt privacy commissioner probe > > Tory gave names of families who received Rosh Hashanah cards > > The federal privacy commissioner is investigating whether the Prime > Minister's Office breached privacy laws when it mailed Rosh Hashanah cards > to thousands of Jewish Canadians, including Richmond citizens. > > But Richmond Conservative Party member Howard Jampolsky, who is Jewish, > says he can tell the commissioner exactly where the party got the names from. > > "Those names were supplied by me to the party," Jampolsky told the News. > > The privacy commissioner launched the preliminary inquiry after it received > several complaints from Jewish Canadians who received Rosh Hashanah cards > from Prime Minister Stephen Harper last month. The cards feature a photo of > Harper and his family wishing Jewish families a Happy New Year. > > Some recipients wondered how Harper's office got the mailing addresses > based on citizens' ethnicity or religion -- something that could be a > breach of privacy laws, if the information came from federal databanks, > like the Canada Revenue Agency. > > "They're asking why they received the mailing and how what they consider > to be personal information was collected," said Colin McKay, a spokesman > for the privacy commissioner. > > """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" > Conservative government: a government that once bought, stays bought > """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" The feds spend over a billion to collect the names of peaceful guns owners, yet this is what gets people upset - a greeting card?

In article <BNNVi.42555$GO5.40388@edtnps90>, "Semper , Libèr" <nopolicestates?????Hje77@freedom4all.org> wrote: > "Karen Gordon" <ar231@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message > news:fg84ar$rv4$1@theodyn.ncf.ca... > > Monday, October 08, 2007 > > > > > """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" > > Conservative government: a government that once bought, stays bought > > > """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" > > The feds spend over a billion to collect the names of peaceful guns owners, > yet this is what gets people upset - a greeting card? Have you no discrimination capabilities? -- the dang

Leftists = traitors (rander3127@gmail.com) writes: > Does Harper send greeting cards to every group comprising at most, 3% > of the population, or are the "Chosen People" special? (K): Only that "3 per cent" that have the majority of money - and media control. Also only that "3 per cent" that also have the Bush administration by the balls; which in turn has Harper's balls. (PS: No vile terminologies, labels or descriptive terms for us? Are you cleaning up your act, or just getting ready for your the next head spinning/ spewing routine?)

"dangdangdoodIe" <notea-thanks@islandnet.com> wrote in message news:zUOVi.50384$G25.18845@edtnps89... > In article <BNNVi.42555$GO5.40388@edtnps90>, > "Semper , Libèr" <nopolicestates?????Hje77@freedom4all.org> wrote: > > > "Karen Gordon" <ar231@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message > > news:fg84ar$rv4$1@theodyn.ncf.ca... > > > Monday, October 08, 2007 > > > > > > > > """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" > > > Conservative government: a government that once bought, stays bought > > > > > """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" > > > > The feds spend over a billion to collect the names of peaceful guns owners, > > yet this is what gets people upset - a greeting card? > > Have you no discrimination capabilities? > > -- > the dang Now that's funny! Ok, let me walk you through it.... A LEGISLATED list of peaceful gun owners violates our right to privacy, and has potential to violate our right to property, and self defence. Whereas if the government sends me a card I don't like, I can throw it in the garbage with the other junk mail i get every week... You understand this now, or should i dumb it down even more for you?

"Karen Gordon" <ar231@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message news:fg8eoe$3li$1@theodyn.ncf.ca... > Leftists = traitors (rander3127@gmail.com) writes: > > Does Harper send greeting cards to every group comprising at most, 3% > > of the population, or are the "Chosen People" special? > > (K): Only that "3 per cent" that have the majority of money Actually the Arabs hold the majority of stock holdings and assets worldwide and also hold about three-fifths of the world's oil reserves. Brits and Chinese are also above Jewish total wealth, respectively... Check the numbers yourself... > - and media > control. Not the internet. Now you know the value of the free and open market free of government regulation.

In article <3Z5Wi.48257$GO5.46057@edtnps90>, "Semper , Libèr" <nopolicestates?????Hje77@freedom4all.org> wrote: > "dangdangdoodIe" <notea-thanks@islandnet.com> wrote in message > news:zUOVi.50384$G25.18845@edtnps89... > > In article <BNNVi.42555$GO5.40388@edtnps90>, > > "Semper , Libèr" <nopolicestates?????Hje77@freedom4all.org> wrote: > > > > > "Karen Gordon" <ar231@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message > > > news:fg84ar$rv4$1@theodyn.ncf.ca... > > > > Monday, October 08, 2007 > > > > > > > > > > > > """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" > > > > Conservative government: a government that once bought, stays > bought > > > > > > > > """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" > > > > > > The feds spend over a billion to collect the names of peaceful guns > owners, > > > yet this is what gets people upset - a greeting card? > > > > Have you no discrimination capabilities? > > > > -- > > the dang > > Now that's funny! > > Ok, let me walk you through it.... A LEGISLATED list of peaceful gun owners > violates our right to privacy, and has potential to violate our right to > property, and self defence. Whereas if the government sends me a card I > don't like, I can throw it in the garbage with the other junk mail i get > every week... > > You understand this now, or should i dumb it down even more for you? It has somehow gone right over your head that I can't go out to the mall and kill 10 people with a greeting card, and if a violent person gets surrounded in a house, the cops might like to know if there are rifles and such in there with him. Or maybe someone might be trying to launder guns that have been used in holdups or whatever. But the issue about Harper sending out cards to Jewish people has to do with something else. It has to do with Harper, the highest civil servant in the country, targeting people (FOR WHATEVER REASON) based on their religion. He could just as well go through his database and target the Muslims in a negative way tomorrow. At the very least, it's a cheap political trick; at worst a very dangerous precedent. Religion and politics don't mix. http://tinyurl.com/33bx4k Second of all. if he's able to pick off every Jewish person in the country, he is probably illegally accessing the governments database which the Conservatives could use for all sorts of political nefarious purposes. For instance, he could send out a bunch of his political lies out in a brochure only to people like you who he knows are going to eat it up, and avoid the feedback he would get if he sent it to me. That sort of thing. -- the dang If You Like Warmonger Bush, You Like Harper ___________

"dangdangdoodIe" <notea-thanks@islandnet.com> wrote in message news:Pj7Wi.63751$G25.8358@edtnps89... > In article <3Z5Wi.48257$GO5.46057@edtnps90>, > "Semper , Libèr" <nopolicestates?????Hje77@freedom4all.org> wrote: > > > "dangdangdoodIe" <notea-thanks@islandnet.com> wrote in message > > news:zUOVi.50384$G25.18845@edtnps89... > > > In article <BNNVi.42555$GO5.40388@edtnps90>, > > > "Semper , Libèr" <nopolicestates?????Hje77@freedom4all.org> wrote: > > > > > > > "Karen Gordon" <ar231@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message > > > > news:fg84ar$rv4$1@theodyn.ncf.ca... > > > > > Monday, October 08, 2007 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" > > > > > Conservative government: a government that once bought, stays > > bought > > > > > > > > > > > """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" > > > > > > > > The feds spend over a billion to collect the names of peaceful guns > > owners, > > > > yet this is what gets people upset - a greeting card? > > > > > > Have you no discrimination capabilities? > > > > > > -- > > > the dang > > > > Now that's funny! > > > > Ok, let me walk you through it.... A LEGISLATED list of peaceful gun owners > > violates our right to privacy, and has potential to violate our right to > > property, and self defence. Whereas if the government sends me a card I > > don't like, I can throw it in the garbage with the other junk mail i get > > every week... > > > > You understand this now, or should i dumb it down even more for you? > > It has somehow gone right over your head that I can't go out to the > mall and kill 10 people with a greeting card, and if a violent person > gets surrounded in a house, the cops might like to know if there are > rifles and such in there with him. Or maybe someone might be trying to > launder guns that have been used in holdups or whatever. It has gone over your head that the registry is not a list of people looking to go out and kill someone...whether with razors, bats or firearms. In other words, it is not a list of criminals, yet the government is using force and tax dollars to maintain it. You can lose your rights and liberty to this kind of government activity, whereas as you point out, a greeting card in the mail is harmless.

In article <vw8Wi.64656$G25.28214@edtnps89>, "Semper Libèr®" <nopolicestates?????Hje77@freedom4all.org> wrote: > "dangdangdoodIe" <notea-thanks@islandnet.com> wrote in message > news:Pj7Wi.63751$G25.8358@edtnps89... > > In article <3Z5Wi.48257$GO5.46057@edtnps90>, > > "Semper , Libèr" <nopolicestates?????Hje77@freedom4all.org> wrote: > > > > > "dangdangdoodIe" <notea-thanks@islandnet.com> wrote in message > > > news:zUOVi.50384$G25.18845@edtnps89... > > > > In article <BNNVi.42555$GO5.40388@edtnps90>, > > > > "Semper , Libèr" <nopolicestates?????Hje77@freedom4all.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > "Karen Gordon" <ar231@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message > > > > > news:fg84ar$rv4$1@theodyn.ncf.ca... > > > > > > Monday, October 08, 2007 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" > > > > > > Conservative government: a government that once bought, stays > > > bought > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" > > > > > > > > > > The feds spend over a billion to collect the names of peaceful guns > > > owners, > > > > > yet this is what gets people upset - a greeting card? > > > > > > > > Have you no discrimination capabilities? > > > > > > > > -- > > > > the dang > > > > > > Now that's funny! > > > > > > Ok, let me walk you through it.... A LEGISLATED list of peaceful gun > owners > > > violates our right to privacy, and has potential to violate our right to > > > property, and self defence. Whereas if the government sends me a card I > > > don't like, I can throw it in the garbage with the other junk mail i get > > > every week... > > > > > > You understand this now, or should i dumb it down even more for you? > > > > It has somehow gone right over your head that I can't go out to the > > mall and kill 10 people with a greeting card, and if a violent person > > gets surrounded in a house, the cops might like to know if there are > > rifles and such in there with him. Or maybe someone might be trying to > > launder guns that have been used in holdups or whatever. > > It has gone over your head that the registry is not a list of people looking > to go out and kill someone...whether with razors, bats or firearms. In other > words, it is not a list of criminals, yet the government is using force and > tax dollars to maintain it. > > You can lose your rights and liberty to this kind of government activity, > whereas as you point out, a greeting card in the mail is harmless. The card is harmless, but Conservatives accessing a government database for political purposes could be a BIG problem. The card is harmless but guns are not and should be kept track of afaic. A database of who owns guns is private and should not be used for political purposes as well. I would have the same problem if Harper sent a "congratulations on your gun ownership" card to all gun owners as well. You're getting your issues mixed up. You're trying to argue the validity of a government program, by excusing a "non-government" political party addressing a religious group. They're totally different, and you're wrong on both accounts. -- the dang Rightwing truism. "If it fears right, it must be true." --rg ___________

dangdangdoodIe wrote: > The card is harmless, but Conservatives accessing a government > database for political purposes could be a BIG problem. The point is, they are not accessing a GOVERNMENT database to send their greeting cards, they are accessing THEIR OWN database. All of the parties have similar databases. You DID know that, right? > The card is harmless but guns are not and should be kept track of > afaic. A database of who owns guns is private and should not be > used for political purposes as well. I would have the same problem > if Harper sent a "congratulations on your gun ownership" card to > all gun owners as well. So would I as he would then have used a government database. > You're getting your issues mixed up. > > You're trying to argue the validity of a government program, by > excusing a "non-government" political party addressing a religious > group. They're totally different, and you're wrong on both > accounts. You being just plain wrong is better how?

In article <Xns99DAC0D3CAB171v2rt@204.153.245.131>, Nobody <not@home.anymore> wrote: > dangdangdoodIe wrote: > > The card is harmless, but Conservatives accessing a government > > database for political purposes could be a BIG problem. > > The point is, they are not accessing a GOVERNMENT database to send > their greeting cards, they are accessing THEIR OWN database. All of > the parties have similar databases. > > You DID know that, right? > I do know that is being investigated. -- the dang

danglingnoodle wrote: > In article <Xns99DAC0D3CAB171v2rt@204.153.245.131>, > Nobody <not@home.anymore> wrote: > >> dangdangdoodIe wrote: >> > The card is harmless, but Conservatives accessing a government >> > database for political purposes could be a BIG problem. >> >> The point is, they are not accessing a GOVERNMENT database to >> send their greeting cards, they are accessing THEIR OWN database. >> All of the parties have similar databases. >> >> You DID know that, right? >> > I do know that is being investigated. They are? By whom? Are the LIberals and NDP going to put up with having their databases examined as well? These databases are not new. I am suprised they got past your scrutiny before.

"dangdangdoodIe" <notea-thanks@islandnet.com> wrote in message news:sk9Wi.79440$%B2.17010@edtnps82... > In article <vw8Wi.64656$G25.28214@edtnps89>, > "Semper Libèr®" <nopolicestates?????Hje77@freedom4all.org> wrote: > > > "dangdangdoodIe" <notea-thanks@islandnet.com> wrote in message > > news:Pj7Wi.63751$G25.8358@edtnps89... > > > In article <3Z5Wi.48257$GO5.46057@edtnps90>, > > > "Semper , Libèr" <nopolicestates?????Hje77@freedom4all.org> wrote: > > > > > > > "dangdangdoodIe" <notea-thanks@islandnet.com> wrote in message > > > > news:zUOVi.50384$G25.18845@edtnps89... > > > > > In article <BNNVi.42555$GO5.40388@edtnps90>, > > > > > "Semper , Libèr" <nopolicestates?????Hje77@freedom4all.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > "Karen Gordon" <ar231@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message > > > > > > news:fg84ar$rv4$1@theodyn.ncf.ca... > > > > > > > Monday, October 08, 2007 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" > > > > > > > Conservative government: a government that once bought, stays > > > > bought > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" > > > > > > > > > > > > The feds spend over a billion to collect the names of peaceful guns > > > > owners, > > > > > > yet this is what gets people upset - a greeting card? > > > > > > > > > > Have you no discrimination capabilities? > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > the dang > > > > > > > > Now that's funny! > > > > > > > > Ok, let me walk you through it.... A LEGISLATED list of peaceful gun > > owners > > > > violates our right to privacy, and has potential to violate our right to > > > > property, and self defence. Whereas if the government sends me a card I > > > > don't like, I can throw it in the garbage with the other junk mail i get > > > > every week... > > > > > > > > You understand this now, or should i dumb it down even more for you? > > > > > > It has somehow gone right over your head that I can't go out to the > > > mall and kill 10 people with a greeting card, and if a violent person > > > gets surrounded in a house, the cops might like to know if there are > > > rifles and such in there with him. Or maybe someone might be trying to > > > launder guns that have been used in holdups or whatever. > > > > It has gone over your head that the registry is not a list of people looking > > to go out and kill someone...whether with razors, bats or firearms. In other > > words, it is not a list of criminals, yet the government is using force and > > tax dollars to maintain it. > > > > You can lose your rights and liberty to this kind of government activity, > > whereas as you point out, a greeting card in the mail is harmless. > > > The card is harmless, but Conservatives accessing a government > database for political purposes could be a BIG problem. > > The card is harmless but guns are not and should be kept track of > afaic. The ONLY guns that are not harmless (from a criminal standpoint) are those (usually unregistered guns) used by criminals for criminal activity. I have no problem with people registering their firearms with a local gun club if they feel that is a beneficial service. The criteria for ending up on a government database, however, is not what knives, bats, razorblades, guns, etc., you own, but whether the government has legitimate authority to keep an eye on you based on past violent criminal tendencies.. Since we have presumption of innocence in this country, that burden is on them to prove. Likewise the government has no authority to demand everyone enter their DNA into a database to aid in detecting any future criminal activities.